Laws for renting in Tuscany

[bazza]

Hi,

I'm currently looking into letting our property in Tuscany the legal way. After spending much of the day doing some research on the net I've cam up with the following things to do:

• Register with the “registro delle imprese della camera di commercio”
• Fill in the form “dichiarazione di inizio attivata (DIA)” and take to the ‘comune’
• Let the “amministrazione provinciale” know about applicable prices
• Inform the relevant authorites about the “movimentazione turistica giornaliera”
• Let the ‘publica sicurezza – polizia di stato’ know about the arrival of each person (renters) staying in the house.

Is this the complete list? have I added something I don't really need to do or have I missed something off? I've read some of the other posts on the forum and some of you are of the idea that one can get away with registering with the "camere di commercio" by registering as an "affittacamere non imprenditoriale". This however requires one to be living permanently in the property. Is this correct? If so how could I get away with this if they (police/vigili) know we don't live there?

If anybody can help I'd be forever grateful!

Kind regards,
Lorenzo

[Chianti]

Lorenzo

I had a look at your website, which is as good as they get and what a lovely property.

I have a feeling that the process which one goes through here in Umbria will be similar for you. A Vigili and or, a gppd geometra should be able to advise on what is needed. I would be very surprised if you don't have to have the same documentation which I listed and go through the same, or a similar process which can take months. Be warned; nothing will happen in August of which I'm sure you are aware.

As we only have 1 small apartment we don't have to register for IVA or at the Chamber of Commerce as our rental is considered self-employment. A good commercialista will advise on whether you need to register with them.

Best of luck.

Chianti

[Titti]

Hi Lorenzo

the process you listed is more or less al right but I absolutely second Chianti in that I would not move a step without the advice of a good commercialista.

Anything that involves taxes in Italy needs serious guidance, otherwise any money you might make might end up completely burned in taxes.

So, if you do not have one, ask friends and neighbors who is their commercialista. Best if she/he already does the accountancy of other holidays rentals. Then he will see your general situation, e.g. resident or not and how your building is classified.

Then he/she will advice the category of holiday rental you might want to ask a licence for. There are new laws all the time so it is difficult to rely on internet information.

Depending on the category, you might be asked to have approval from the ASL or to provide evidence of "abitabilita".
This might mean that you have to prove that your electricity, water and gas system are built according to standards and certified as such.

All this is going to take you months, so you might want to start asking around and start applying in September hoping that by next season you have everything settled.

[Chianti]

Titti

I so agree, I'm sure Lorenzo will have to have abitabilita. One does however have the right, as does everyone, to rent your property for 1 month of each year without permission, but that is only for 1 letting, but then who's counting.

Lorenzo

It's a head banging process, but when it's done you will also get the assistance of the Tourist Agency.

I wish you the best of luck in getting your permissions quickly without too much stress.

Chianti

[bazza]

Thanks Titti and chianti!

I should think that we already have the "abitabilita" as we lived there for over 9 years and we also had a licensed restaurant in the property. I'm sure my dad can answer that one as he did all the licensing when opening the restaurant. As you mentioned the property had to go through quite a tough process (with fire exits, gas and electricity connections etc) so I'm hoping these are still valid even though the restaurant has now been closed for several years.


I'm definitely going to take your advice and contact a commercialista (a family member a think). I really don't want to have to get involved in all the VAT process as we've already been there once with the restaurant and it wasn't pleasant (mainly for time restrictions).

Does anybody know where if the 'forms' that need to filled in by each person staying in the property and taken to the polizia di stato, are obtained form the vigile or carabinieri or polizia di stato?

Thanks again for everything.

Regards,
Lorenzo

[Chianti]

Bazza

You can buy them in a big stationers. They come in pad form with carbon copy so that you keep 1 and the carabinieri keep the other. You should be able to find them locally.

Let's hope you do have the necessary documentation, it certainly would speed up the process for you. I would be very surprised if you didn't conform to the requirements of USLA, but best to check, as they visit as part of the authorisation process. For instance, do the bathrooms all have the emergency bell pull with the red knob?

Chianti